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		<title>By: Pip</title>
		<link>http://www.fungoes.net/2007/08/27/cardinals-4-braves-1/comment-page-1/#comment-4574</link>
		<dc:creator>Pip</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Aug 2007 17:46:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, I agree with you, Liam. Sorry that I came off sounding like I was taking issue with Smoltz&#039;s comments in a negative way. 

I didn&#039;t really have a good answer to your question about Per Game rates, so I asked THT&#039;s David Gassko, who kindly (and quickly!) responded:
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Per game means per 39 batters faced, I believe, which is about the average number of plate appearances in a game. The reason we do it like that is that innings pitched can be influenced by things out of the pitcher&#039;s control, such as how good their defense is. Per game stats are a better indicator of the pitcher&#039;s true ability than per nine innings. &lt;/blockquote&gt;
Yeah, what &lt;i&gt;he&lt;/i&gt; said. ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, I agree with you, Liam. Sorry that I came off sounding like I was taking issue with Smoltz&#8217;s comments in a negative way. </p>
<p>I didn&#8217;t really have a good answer to your question about Per Game rates, so I asked THT&#8217;s David Gassko, who kindly (and quickly!) responded:</p>
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Per game means per 39 batters faced, I believe, which is about the average number of plate appearances in a game. The reason we do it like that is that innings pitched can be influenced by things out of the pitcher&#8217;s control, such as how good their defense is. Per game stats are a better indicator of the pitcher&#8217;s true ability than per nine innings. </p></blockquote>
<p>Yeah, what <i>he</i> said. <img src='http://www.fungoes.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Liam</title>
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		<dc:creator>Liam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Aug 2007 15:53:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t interpret Smoltz&#039;s comment to be undercutting Wainwright in any way. He&#039;s referring to the accomplishment of pitching 200 innings as being under-the-radar and complimenting Wainwright on quietly approaching something that pitchers recognize to be a big deal that fans and the media might not hold in such high regard. 

And I admit to not knowing how your rate stat notation of x/G was calculated. While we&#039;re on the topic, why do you believe that&#039;s a more informative way of describing a pitcher&#039;s performance than rates per 9ip?   Normalizing to league tendencies like that would seem to introduce more complications than benefits, I&#039;d naively think. I can see the advantage of avoiding division by zero errors, though.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t interpret Smoltz&#8217;s comment to be undercutting Wainwright in any way. He&#8217;s referring to the accomplishment of pitching 200 innings as being under-the-radar and complimenting Wainwright on quietly approaching something that pitchers recognize to be a big deal that fans and the media might not hold in such high regard. </p>
<p>And I admit to not knowing how your rate stat notation of x/G was calculated. While we&#8217;re on the topic, why do you believe that&#8217;s a more informative way of describing a pitcher&#8217;s performance than rates per 9ip?   Normalizing to league tendencies like that would seem to introduce more complications than benefits, I&#8217;d naively think. I can see the advantage of avoiding division by zero errors, though.</p>
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		<title>By: Pip</title>
		<link>http://www.fungoes.net/2007/08/27/cardinals-4-braves-1/comment-page-1/#comment-4572</link>
		<dc:creator>Pip</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Aug 2007 15:09:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To answer your first question, HR/G is from The Hardball Times, which &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.hardballtimes.com/main/statpages/glossary/#hrg&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;defines it&lt;/a&gt; as:
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Home Runs Allowed per games pitched. This stat is based on the number of home runs allowed divided by total number of batters faced, times the average number of batters per game in that specific league (generally around 38 batters a game).&lt;/blockquote&gt;
So it&#039;s kind of in-between GS and 9IP. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To answer your first question, HR/G is from The Hardball Times, which <a href="http://www.hardballtimes.com/main/statpages/glossary/#hrg" rel="nofollow">defines it</a> as:</p>
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Home Runs Allowed per games pitched. This stat is based on the number of home runs allowed divided by total number of batters faced, times the average number of batters per game in that specific league (generally around 38 batters a game).</p></blockquote>
<p>So it&#8217;s kind of in-between GS and 9IP. <img src='http://www.fungoes.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: stuuuuuu</title>
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		<dc:creator>stuuuuuu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Aug 2007 01:20:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Also...I too, think that wainwright is making a great conversion, but I do not think that he stacks up to pitchers like Hudson, Penny, Webb, or Smoltz.  

If you look at some of the pitchers Total bases allowed per 9, Hudson has 14.14 bases per 9, Penny has 14.95, and Wainwright has 17.66.  I realize this is only one stat, but it&#039;s just another way to look at it.

Since these were calculated, I thought I might as well do Morris&#039;s for his 26 y.o. season (2001)...it is 15.99 bases per 9, still lower than Wainwrights.

Another similar stat for Wainwright and Morris that I thought was interesting was their avg ip per start.  Wainwrights is 6.28, while Morris&#039;s is 6.35.  Food for thought.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Also&#8230;I too, think that wainwright is making a great conversion, but I do not think that he stacks up to pitchers like Hudson, Penny, Webb, or Smoltz.  </p>
<p>If you look at some of the pitchers Total bases allowed per 9, Hudson has 14.14 bases per 9, Penny has 14.95, and Wainwright has 17.66.  I realize this is only one stat, but it&#8217;s just another way to look at it.</p>
<p>Since these were calculated, I thought I might as well do Morris&#8217;s for his 26 y.o. season (2001)&#8230;it is 15.99 bases per 9, still lower than Wainwrights.</p>
<p>Another similar stat for Wainwright and Morris that I thought was interesting was their avg ip per start.  Wainwrights is 6.28, while Morris&#8217;s is 6.35.  Food for thought.</p>
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		<title>By: stuuuuuu</title>
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		<dc:creator>stuuuuuu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Aug 2007 00:52:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is your hr/g actually hr per games started or hr per 9 ip?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is your hr/g actually hr per games started or hr per 9 ip?</p>
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