Comments on: Winter Meetings shopping list http://www.fungoes.net/2007/12/04/winter-meetings-shopping-list/ Official blog of the St. Louis chapter of SABR Fri, 03 Feb 2012 15:37:19 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: Hoish http://www.fungoes.net/2007/12/04/winter-meetings-shopping-list/comment-page-1/#comment-4795 Hoish Wed, 05 Dec 2007 19:25:59 +0000 http://fungoes.net/?p=1017#comment-4795 Hey gang, for whatever it's worth, I'm in San Diego, and have been doing a good deal of listening to their "all sports radio" station The discussion came up with the Padres' GM Kevin Towers, who, when asked about Jim Edmonds, basically said, "It's not a priority right now that would indicate any need to make a move." I'd say they're not even lukewarm to the idea at present. Hey gang, for whatever it’s worth, I’m in San Diego, and have been doing a good deal of listening to their “all sports radio” station The discussion came up with the Padres’ GM Kevin Towers, who, when asked about Jim Edmonds, basically said, “It’s not a priority right now that would indicate any need to make a move.” I’d say they’re not even lukewarm to the idea at present.

]]> By: roarke http://www.fungoes.net/2007/12/04/winter-meetings-shopping-list/comment-page-1/#comment-4793 roarke Tue, 04 Dec 2007 22:44:42 +0000 http://fungoes.net/?p=1017#comment-4793 Pip: I agree with you on Edmonds, which is why I was curious as to who the Padres would offer for him. I suppose they could play Ankiel in CF for a year until Rasmus is ready, but I think I'd rather see Edmonds earn his contract in St. Louis unless we are getting a pretty good young arm or a pretty good young righthanded RF back for him. Like you, I am worried about the Cards dumping Reyes - the only acceptable trade with him is for another young pitcher with upside, maybe one of those "he needed a change of scenary" type of trades for both sides. Pip:

I agree with you on Edmonds, which is why I was curious as to who the Padres would offer for him. I suppose they could play Ankiel in CF for a year until Rasmus is ready, but I think I’d rather see Edmonds earn his contract in St. Louis unless we are getting a pretty good young arm or a pretty good young righthanded RF back for him.

Like you, I am worried about the Cards dumping Reyes – the only acceptable trade with him is for another young pitcher with upside, maybe one of those “he needed a change of scenary” type of trades for both sides.

]]> By: Pip http://www.fungoes.net/2007/12/04/winter-meetings-shopping-list/comment-page-1/#comment-4792 Pip Tue, 04 Dec 2007 19:33:11 +0000 http://fungoes.net/?p=1017#comment-4792 Not encouraging -- this report from <a href="http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/blog/index?entryID=3140986&name=winter_meetings" rel="nofollow">ESPN's Winter Meetings blog</a> today: <blockquote> 2:24 p.m., from Jerry Crasnick • According to one National League executive, the Cardinals are getting "a lot of play" on pitcher Anthony Reyes, a former top prospect who has failed to click with manager Tony La Russa and pitching coach Dave Duncan. "He's a four-seam guy, and they want him to be a sinkerballer," the executive said of Reyes. Last year, Reyes went 2-14 with a 6.04 ERA in 107 1/3 innings with the Cardinals. </blockquote> Yeah, they're getting a lot of play because he's a young/cheap pitcher with significant upside. Hold the line, Mo! Not encouraging — this report from ESPN’s Winter Meetings blog today:

2:24 p.m., from Jerry Crasnick
• According to one National League executive, the Cardinals are getting “a lot of play” on pitcher Anthony Reyes, a former top prospect who has failed to click with manager Tony La Russa and pitching coach Dave Duncan. “He’s a four-seam guy, and they want him to be a sinkerballer,” the executive said of Reyes. Last year, Reyes went 2-14 with a 6.04 ERA in 107 1/3 innings with the Cardinals.

Yeah, they’re getting a lot of play because he’s a young/cheap pitcher with significant upside. Hold the line, Mo!

]]> By: Pip http://www.fungoes.net/2007/12/04/winter-meetings-shopping-list/comment-page-1/#comment-4791 Pip Tue, 04 Dec 2007 19:28:08 +0000 http://fungoes.net/?p=1017#comment-4791 Edmonds is "only" making $8 mil this coming season, so he's much more likely to be worth his pay. Bill James is bullish on JEd, projecting a .372 OBP and .291 GPA, though ZiPS is less so (.344/.265). Even taking the ZiPS numbers, the Cardinals would be hard-pressed to find anyone to play centerfield, both on offense and defense, as well, especially for the money. And with only one year left on his contract, Edmonds seems like the absolute wrong guy to deal. Edmonds is “only” making $8 mil this coming season, so he’s much more likely to be worth his pay. Bill James is bullish on JEd, projecting a .372 OBP and .291 GPA, though ZiPS is less so (.344/.265). Even taking the ZiPS numbers, the Cardinals would be hard-pressed to find anyone to play centerfield, both on offense and defense, as well, especially for the money. And with only one year left on his contract, Edmonds seems like the absolute wrong guy to deal.

]]> By: roarke http://www.fungoes.net/2007/12/04/winter-meetings-shopping-list/comment-page-1/#comment-4790 roarke Tue, 04 Dec 2007 18:48:22 +0000 http://fungoes.net/?p=1017#comment-4790 I've always liked Rolen and if all we get for him is Capuano and we still have to pay a large chunk of his salary, I'd say that's a big mistake. If the Dodgers are interested and want to put together a deal that includes LaRoche, I'd be happier. The other thing I keep reading is that the Cardinals are shopping Edmonds, with San Diego being the likliest destination. I haven't seen, though, who the Padres are offering that might interest us. Any thoughts? I’ve always liked Rolen and if all we get for him is Capuano and we still have to pay a large chunk of his salary, I’d say that’s a big mistake. If the Dodgers are interested and want to put together a deal that includes LaRoche, I’d be happier.

The other thing I keep reading is that the Cardinals are shopping Edmonds, with San Diego being the likliest destination. I haven’t seen, though, who the Padres are offering that might interest us. Any thoughts?

]]> By: Hoish http://www.fungoes.net/2007/12/04/winter-meetings-shopping-list/comment-page-1/#comment-4789 Hoish Tue, 04 Dec 2007 18:10:33 +0000 http://fungoes.net/?p=1017#comment-4789 Gee, Pip...wonder where you got the Loretta idea? ::wink:: Gee, Pip…wonder where you got the Loretta idea? ::wink::

]]> By: Pip http://www.fungoes.net/2007/12/04/winter-meetings-shopping-list/comment-page-1/#comment-4788 Pip Tue, 04 Dec 2007 17:32:40 +0000 http://fungoes.net/?p=1017#comment-4788 To be clear, I'm only advocating trading guys whose upside is dubious. Therefore, even selling low on Rolen could be wise, if his performance continues to plummet (the guy is going to be 33 next season -- not getting any younger). It's far from a foregone conclusion that Reyes has peaked; pretty certainly he hasn't. So selling low on him wouldn't make sense. Yeah, the Haren talk stings. But you can't go back and make it better -- just don't make the same mistake. For what it's worth, I'm skeptical that Haren's going anywhere. It's probably simply Beane prepping the market for a Haren trade after the '08 or '09 season. The A's will then have maximized his value and in turn, the "buying" team will be stuck with high-dollar decline years. Kinda like Mulder all over again. To be clear, I’m only advocating trading guys whose upside is dubious. Therefore, even selling low on Rolen could be wise, if his performance continues to plummet (the guy is going to be 33 next season — not getting any younger). It’s far from a foregone conclusion that Reyes has peaked; pretty certainly he hasn’t. So selling low on him wouldn’t make sense.

Yeah, the Haren talk stings. But you can’t go back and make it better — just don’t make the same mistake. For what it’s worth, I’m skeptical that Haren’s going anywhere. It’s probably simply Beane prepping the market for a Haren trade after the ‘08 or ‘09 season. The A’s will then have maximized his value and in turn, the “buying” team will be stuck with high-dollar decline years. Kinda like Mulder all over again.

]]> By: HoosierCardFan http://www.fungoes.net/2007/12/04/winter-meetings-shopping-list/comment-page-1/#comment-4787 HoosierCardFan Tue, 04 Dec 2007 16:53:07 +0000 http://fungoes.net/?p=1017#comment-4787 i'll nibble. I do not believe in selling Rolen or Reyes low. and it saddens me to see Rolen go as well. i believe both can and rolen will thrive elsewhere, which makes me wonder if the problem is elsewhere. This talk about acquiring Haren stings too. maybe we can get Barton back as well. i loved the Bud Smith deal bc it was the definition of selling hi (Bottenfield as well). I just haven't seen many realistic proposals that make the cards better with a trade of rolen or reyes (i've seen one, in actuality, and is more risk than we take by keeping them and to a division rival who's better suited to win). i’ll nibble. I do not believe in selling Rolen or Reyes low. and it saddens me to see Rolen go as well. i believe both can and rolen will thrive elsewhere, which makes me wonder if the problem is elsewhere. This talk about acquiring Haren stings too. maybe we can get Barton back as well. i loved the Bud Smith deal bc it was the definition of selling hi (Bottenfield as well).

I just haven’t seen many realistic proposals that make the cards better with a trade of rolen or reyes (i’ve seen one, in actuality, and is more risk than we take by keeping them and to a division rival who’s better suited to win).

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