Comments on: The emotional effect of the Cardinals’ 2009-10 offseason http://www.fungoes.net/2010/01/21/the-cumulative-effect-of-the-2009-10-offseason/ Official blog of the St. Louis chapter of SABR Fri, 03 Feb 2012 15:37:19 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: And bad mistakes, Mo’s made a few | Baseball Bloggers Alliance http://www.fungoes.net/2010/01/21/the-cumulative-effect-of-the-2009-10-offseason/comment-page-1/#comment-6647 And bad mistakes, Mo’s made a few | Baseball Bloggers Alliance Tue, 19 Oct 2010 13:02:42 +0000 http://www.fungoes.net/?p=2498#comment-6647 [...] but only when they don’t feel someone is insulting their intelligence. In a long season that began with such insults, John Mozeliak should give fans the honesty they [...] [...] but only when they don’t feel someone is insulting their intelligence. In a long season that began with such insults, John Mozeliak should give fans the honesty they [...]

]]> By: Pitchers Hit Eighth http://www.fungoes.net/2010/01/21/the-cumulative-effect-of-the-2009-10-offseason/comment-page-1/#comment-5651 Pitchers Hit Eighth Fri, 22 Jan 2010 21:40:45 +0000 http://www.fungoes.net/?p=2498#comment-5651 Wait, what's wrong with Busch Light? Wait, what’s wrong with Busch Light?

]]> By: Vidor http://www.fungoes.net/2010/01/21/the-cumulative-effect-of-the-2009-10-offseason/comment-page-1/#comment-5649 Vidor Fri, 22 Jan 2010 18:54:41 +0000 http://www.fungoes.net/?p=2498#comment-5649 I wasn't aware that the Hardball Times was the establishment. I further wasn't aware that the "establishment" says we must cheer Mark McGwire. Pretty sure the "establishment" agrees with you that we must cast him into a vat of hungry pirahnas. If anyone is engaging in a herd mentality it's everybody lining up to hurl stones. It's also richly ironic that you accuse someone else of not thinking for themselves when you are so very angry that everyone else doesn't think like you. But the "establishment" probably wouldn't approve of your misleading, deceptive link to a Matt Holiday article that makes the very opposite of your point. So there is that. Anyway, if you guys are so down on the Cardinals you can take up a hobby. Better hope that they aren't good, though. Better hope that they don't wind up in the playoffs with a strong chance to make the World Series. Because then you might have to let go of some of that precious, precious anger. I wasn’t aware that the Hardball Times was the establishment. I further wasn’t aware that the “establishment” says we must cheer Mark McGwire. Pretty sure the “establishment” agrees with you that we must cast him into a vat of hungry pirahnas. If anyone is engaging in a herd mentality it’s everybody lining up to hurl stones. It’s also richly ironic that you accuse someone else of not thinking for themselves when you are so very angry that everyone else doesn’t think like you.

But the “establishment” probably wouldn’t approve of your misleading, deceptive link to a Matt Holiday article that makes the very opposite of your point. So there is that.

Anyway, if you guys are so down on the Cardinals you can take up a hobby. Better hope that they aren’t good, though. Better hope that they don’t wind up in the playoffs with a strong chance to make the World Series. Because then you might have to let go of some of that precious, precious anger.

]]> By: joesportsfan http://www.fungoes.net/2010/01/21/the-cumulative-effect-of-the-2009-10-offseason/comment-page-1/#comment-5648 joesportsfan Fri, 22 Jan 2010 17:05:28 +0000 http://www.fungoes.net/?p=2498#comment-5648 Vidor, thank you for summarizing the St. Louis sports fan's sheep mentality so eloquently. Just sit back and let the establishment tell us how to think and act; leaves more time to focus on more important things, like mainlining Busch Light and complaining about highway construction. Vidor, thank you for summarizing the St. Louis sports fan’s sheep mentality so eloquently.

Just sit back and let the establishment tell us how to think and act; leaves more time to focus on more important things, like mainlining Busch Light and complaining about highway construction.

]]> By: Vidor http://www.fungoes.net/2010/01/21/the-cumulative-effect-of-the-2009-10-offseason/comment-page-1/#comment-5647 Vidor Fri, 22 Jan 2010 16:48:34 +0000 http://www.fungoes.net/?p=2498#comment-5647 Who's "us"? Who's "we"? See, those of us who like baseball are looking forward to seeing a Cardinals team that should be clear favorites to win the division in 2010. Why do we cheer McGwire? Maybe because we're sick and tired of holier-than-thou preaching moralists tell us that we shouldn't. More to the point, what do we care about? Whether or not McGwire can help Cardinal hitters in 2010. Not what he was shooting into his buttocks 12 years ago. Brad Penny? Well, we COULD kvetch about him getting released by the Red Sox, but instead we note that he has a career 4.01 ERA in the NL and that Hardball Times was bullish on the deal: http://www.hardballtimes.com/main/blog_article/cardinals-sign-brad-penny...-for-7.5-million/ Matt Holliday? Well, we're pretty stoked to have a legitimate cleanup hitter, and we note that the very article you link to in discussing the "Zito-like contract" goes on to say that "All that's true, of course and it's unlikely that the Cardinals will end up burdened with a Barry Zito or Vernon Wells-like contract down the road", and in fact is pretty positive on the deal. Pujols? We worry that he will be playing for the Yankees or Red Sox in 2012. But we laugh at your notion that he lacks integrity by exploring his options. Albert Pujols is entitled by MLB rule to sell his services on the open market after the end of the 2011 season and no one can say he lacks integrity if he does so. We booed Jack Clark because saying every steroid user in baseball should be banned was stupid. Freese? Actually, we agree with you regarding David Freese. But we're excited about watching what should be a pretty good Cardinals team. No, wait, we forgot we're supposed to be angry and bitter because we don't like the hitting coach. Maybe we should find another way to fill our time from April to October of 2010. Maybe you should too. Who’s “us”? Who’s “we”? See, those of us who like baseball are looking forward to seeing a Cardinals team that should be clear favorites to win the division in 2010.

Why do we cheer McGwire? Maybe because we’re sick and tired of holier-than-thou preaching moralists tell us that we shouldn’t. More to the point, what do we care about? Whether or not McGwire can help Cardinal hitters in 2010. Not what he was shooting into his buttocks 12 years ago.

Brad Penny? Well, we COULD kvetch about him getting released by the Red Sox, but instead we note that he has a career 4.01 ERA in the NL and that Hardball Times was bullish on the deal:

http://www.hardballtimes.com/main/blog_article/cardinals-sign-brad-penny…-for-7.5-million/

Matt Holliday? Well, we’re pretty stoked to have a legitimate cleanup hitter, and we note that the very article you link to in discussing the “Zito-like contract” goes on to say that “All that’s true, of course and it’s unlikely that the Cardinals will end up burdened with a Barry Zito or Vernon Wells-like contract down the road”, and in fact is pretty positive on the deal.

Pujols? We worry that he will be playing for the Yankees or Red Sox in 2012. But we laugh at your notion that he lacks integrity by exploring his options. Albert Pujols is entitled by MLB rule to sell his services on the open market after the end of the 2011 season and no one can say he lacks integrity if he does so.

We booed Jack Clark because saying every steroid user in baseball should be banned was stupid.

Freese? Actually, we agree with you regarding David Freese.

But we’re excited about watching what should be a pretty good Cardinals team.

No, wait, we forgot we’re supposed to be angry and bitter because we don’t like the hitting coach. Maybe we should find another way to fill our time from April to October of 2010. Maybe you should too.

]]> By: mynameistyler http://www.fungoes.net/2010/01/21/the-cumulative-effect-of-the-2009-10-offseason/comment-page-1/#comment-5645 mynameistyler Fri, 22 Jan 2010 04:24:42 +0000 http://www.fungoes.net/?p=2498#comment-5645 Well, I do agree with what Whitey had to say. It's confusing at best that a guy who is paid to give his opinion takes a stand and, not only gets booed for it, but apparently earns a reprimand from the club. I was also more than a little bothered by Pujols seemingly backing water on his comments about the team making a commitment. However, my excitement level is still through the roof; I've been marking the days on my calendar since Thanksgiving. Maybe I'm still naive enough to let the childhood rose-colored glasses take over my objective assessments. I think I'm okay with that for a little while, though. Well, I do agree with what Whitey had to say. It’s confusing at best that a guy who is paid to give his opinion takes a stand and, not only gets booed for it, but apparently earns a reprimand from the club. I was also more than a little bothered by Pujols seemingly backing water on his comments about the team making a commitment. However, my excitement level is still through the roof; I’ve been marking the days on my calendar since Thanksgiving. Maybe I’m still naive enough to let the childhood rose-colored glasses take over my objective assessments. I think I’m okay with that for a little while, though.

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