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Rethinking Pujols’s demands in light of 2010 playoff teams’ payrolls

John Mozeliak notes that the Cardinals “still think we have some holes.” One is right field, stomach and Carlos Beltran would fill it well.

Despite currently polling at Fungoes as the Cardinals

9 Responses to “Rethinking Pujols’s demands in light of 2010 playoff teams’ payrolls”

  1. thoran85 Says:

    Here is the big problem with the idea of going small payroll. Outside of the Twins what small payroll team can consistently make the playoffs? Oakland? Not since the Big 3 left.

    But the Phillies, Yankees, Red Sox, Angels, and until previously the Cardinals all do. Those are high payroll AND smart teams. The Cardinals can afford a payroll around $120M and at that number the Cards can compete with Pujols on the team.

    I would personally much rather be in the consistent winners side then the hope it all comes together for a season or two side.

  2. Pip Says:

    You make solid points. In the post, I’m not necessarily even advocating “small” payroll. I am saying a) it’s fair for the Cardinals to ask Pujols if he is worth the money, given the last four years, and b) the organization may want to fundamentally rethink the way their team is structured payroll-wise. That may mean simply having a “flatter” distribution of salary but not necessarily a smaller total payroll.

  3. JP Says:

    Are the Cardinals really a smart team? They had three of the worst ten offensive position players in the NL this year in Ryan, Molina, and Feliz. Management demonstrated that it is, in fact, possible to put a lineup on the field with Pujols and Holliday and still be marginal offensively.

    Then there is the albatross of Kyle Lohse’s contract and the weird treatment of Colby Rasmus. There is an awful lot to suggest that the clubhouse was an unhappy place this year.

    When you have a roster that starts with Pujols, Holliday, Wainwright, and Carpenter and you have promising young talent–possibly top-tier talent–in Rasmus and Garcia, then there is certainly hope going forward. What is not clear to me is that even if the Cardinals sign Pujols that their management understands how to evaluate free agent talent so as not to shoot the team in the figurative foot.

  4. redbirdpodcast Says:

    You don’t trade baseball’s best player unless you’re a rebuilding team; which the Cardinals are not. Maybe this is just crazy speculation in light of changing the subject from not making the playoffs. We are not rebuilding; there is no scenario that would call for us trading Albert Pujols…PERIOD!!

  5. DesMoinesRedbird Says:

    “But isn’t it also fair for the Cardinals to ask whether Pujols is worth it?”

    OK, you asked the question, and it’s fair to ask every question. Now I’m answering it: YES. He has played 6 years on a 7 year contract in which he’s been grossly underpaid. He hasn’t complained about money once. He’s an MVP caliber player every year…literally….10 for 10. The Cardinals have had 1 losing season since he showed up. End of discussion. Please, nobody ask this question again.

  6. DesMoinesRedbird Says:

    Also, the time to have this discussion (if it were valid) would have been 9 months ago when we were signing the $120 million bat to hit behind Al. You are seriously going to get this far into the long-term plan and then wonder if we should spend the money on the linchpin?

  7. Pip Says:

    It would’ve been the height of ingratitude for Pujols to complain about money. When he signed his contract, he could’ve gotten injured the next day and still made $100 million. Each side takes a risk, and it just so happened that the Cardinals ended up with surplus value. It very easily could’ve ended up differently.

  8. Pip Says:

    What is not clear to me is that even if the Cardinals sign Pujols that their management understands how to evaluate free agent talent so as not to shoot the team in the figurative foot.

    Excellent point.

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