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Good question, Pip. Three topics come to mind for me.
1. I’d definitely prefer that TLR keep pitchers batting eighth since research, as demonstrated by Tom Tango (author of The Book), actually supports this strategy. Since it’s only likely to benefit the team by a couple of runs per season at most, it’s nothing to fret over… but every run counts, right? I don’t understand why TLR goes back and forth on this method. If he believes that it creates more RBI opportunities for the better bats, and is aware that there is evidence to support this theory, then why ever return to the pitcher batting ninth? I don’t get it.
2. Like most (all) saber-minded fans, I’d love for TLR to do away with the notion of a closer. Instead of saving the bullpen’s best arm for non-pressure appearances (9th inning, zero on and zero out with a 3-run lead), he should be used in the highest leverage situations. Often times, that would result in the “closer” being called upon in the 7th or 8th inning.
As pointed out by Chuck Brownson at GHG, the Cardinals avoided annointing their best pitcher (Jason Motte by all indications: FIP, WAR, xFIP) with the closer tag in 2010. I’m guessing, however, that this was an unintentional decision… especially since Motte trailed Franklin and Miller in gmLI (pitcher’s average leverage index when entering game), meaning that TLR chose inferior pitchers when the game was on the line. And let’s be honest. Those of us yearning for this strategical change will have to wait until a new regime is in place since TLR and Duncan are largely regarded as two of the main proponents for modern day closer usage.
3. Lastly, I’d like to see McGwire set loose in batting coach duties. I’m intrigued by his critique of the players’ over-reliance on video. Despite the most recent P-D story from Hummel in which TLR claimed that he and McGwire are on the same page in this area, I’ll believe it when McGwire makes the same assertion and we start hearing about actual changes being made by the hitters. It certainly makes sense that hitters would benefit from developing a better knack for adjusting to pitches as they’re thrown rather than guessing outright and going “all in” on each pitch.
That’ll do it.
– Andy Beard, GasHouseGraphs
Tony La Russa makes moves such as batting the pitcher eighth because he believes it gives the Cardinals an advantage over the opponent, right? So that’s how I’m approaching this question — what’s a Tony-like move he could employ that would, in his mind, give the Cardinals an advantage?
The pitcher hitting eighth seems like a given, so no other comment on that needed.
I know I’ve read that Lance Berkman will likely be removed in the late innings in close games for defensive purposes, given his lack of playing time (to put it nicely) in the outfield in recent years. But if Berkman hits well this season, that could be an important bat removed from the lineup. So I think La Russa will definitely replace Berkman in right field late in games … but move him to third base, then move David Freese over to shortstop and take Ryan Theriot out of the game. Or, depending on who’s hitting better between Theriot and Skip Schumaker, he could also have Berkman replace Schumaker at second.
If any blowout games happen this season, of course Nick Punto will be the replacement for Aaron Miles at pitcher. I also can see Kyle Lohse playing the outfield again when a blowout or extra inning occasion arises.
And, Pip, I love the Wainwright-to-the-outfield-for-a-batter idea. That is definitely a La Russian idea!
– Christine Coleman, Aaron Miles’ Fastball
What a great question. The last few seasons in St. Louis have looked like some of those Earl Weaver teams in Baltimore in the early 70s. When the bashers hit home runs, the team won (158 in 1971). When they didn’t (100 in 1972), the team did not do well.
If there is one tactic I’d like to see Tony La Russa use this year, it is in the running game. Start runners, even in front of Albert Pujols and Matt Holliday. Manufacture scoring chances instead of standing around waiting for someone to hit the ball out of the park. This is baseball, not co-ed softball. When the baserunners start, defenders move out of position, pitchers have to shorten their delivery, and there’s one more thing to worry about.
The thing about the running game, it rarely goes in a slump. More important, good pitching cannot defeat it like it can good hitting. Several National League teams have improved their pitching staffs (Milwaukee, Philadelphia to be specific) and we need something to counter that, other than the three run homer.
Ryan Theriot and Colby Rasmus need to be running like maniacs at the top of the order. If Albert Pujols and Yadier Molina are competing for the team lead in stolen bases, it is going to be a dreadfully long season.
– Bob Netherton, On the Outside Corner
The more I think about it, this lineup may be tailor-made for hitting the pitcher eighth. TLR has several options for the second spot in the lineup; should one of them really be Skip Schumaker or Ryan Theriot? I don’t think so. They’re barely passable as leadoff hitters. But if the theory of “second leadoff hitter” truly contributes to the reason for hitting the pitcher eighth, then Schumaker and Theriot are the perfect duo to bounce around between one and nine.
I also wonder if it wouldn’t be a good idea to back off Yadier Molina’s playing time some more. I don’t know that TLR should go into a full-fledged platoon, but Gerald Laird isn’t your typical backup. He is able to handle a full season behind the plate. And Molina is, too, but for how long? His importance to this team cannot be understated (base running aside), but the wear and tear seems to be taking its toll. I don’t know what the appropriate number of starts and substitutions should be, but I’d like Laird to be used a little more often than we’ve seen Jason LaRue used over the last couple of years–not because Laird is so great…because Molina is.
–Chris, Bird Brained
I know this is the complete opposite end of the spectrum for Tony, but I’d love for him to adopt the ‘relief ace’ philosophy instead of having the traditional 9th inning closer. Most of what I’m going to talk about in my answer Andy has already stated and I’m sure has been discussed at length by the sabermetric community so I guess I’ll do my best to elaborate and agree.
The save stat itself has never really meant much to me. Take the reliever in your pen who gives you the best opportunity to come out of a tight game with runners on and shut the door and appoint him as your relief ace to be used at any time in innings 7-9.
Example: Top of the 7th , Cardinals have a 1 run lead, 1 out, runners on 1st and 2nd with the 3-5 hitters in the order coming to the plate (dramatic indeed). The relief pitcher (let’s say Jason Motte) comes into the game and shuts the door while preserving the lead. The Cardinals then extend the lead to 2 going to the 9th. Then the ‘closer’ (Franklin) comes in and gives up a run while finishing the game, but he’s still credited with the save. I’m not knocking Franklin it’s just in this example Motte was the pitcher who in my eyes actually saved the game and was absolutely the more effective of the two. Regardless the point being in this particular game the relief ace would be on the mound in the 7th and not the 9th.
The closer is typically the guy who the manager feels is his best relief pitcher. In a lot of cases (not just with the Cardinals but around the league) he sits on the bench in the bullpen and watches his bullpen mates blow a lead because he’s being held until the 9th to ‘preserve’ the game. I know this will never happen under Tony LaRussa’s watch but it’s always something that’s on my mind. Also if anyone cares my vote would be for Jason Motte to hold the relief ace role.
– Dustin McClure
Great comments from the group. My only addition is not so much tactics on the field but strategy off it.
Should one of the 25 who break camp get hurt, I’d really like to see LaRussa NOT pressure the front office to find a veteran off the reject bin to take his place (see Randy Winn, Aaron Miles, etc). Let the FO bring a deserving guy up from the minors, then actually use him. Given LaRussa’s propensity to favor the vet over the rookie, this will probably never happen, but it would be better (in my opinion) for the overall health of the organization if some of the guys who have been trying to break through actually get a chance to break through.
–Mike, Stan Musial’s Stance
So it sounds like two votes each for hitting the pitcher eighth and for going retro with the bullpen, along with some other smart ideas. With wisdom like that, perhaps the Cardinals could implement another strategy and revisit the Cub’s "college of coaches" comprised of some UCB members. For our part, in addition to agreeing with the pitchers hit eighth tactic and retro-pen, we of course wrote recently about our preference for the four-man rotation. And we weren’t joking when we mentioned bringing back Whitey Herzog’s old trick of hiding a pitcher in right field while a LOOGy takes care of business, then bringing the pitcher back; with Berkman likely leaving in late innings, anyway, the move seems tailor-made for this year’s club.