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Hot Stove Luncheon wrapup

Monday, January 22nd, 2007

Saturday’s Hot Stove Luncheon, featuring speakers Neil Fiala, Ron Jacober, John Mozeliak and Rick Hummel, was one of the most entertaining and insightful we’ve attended.

In chapter business, SABRen Steve Gietschier provided an update on the convention committee, which needs a deep bench to field the estimated 700+ attendees this Summer. The luncheon speaker will be the legendary Joe Garagiola, but if that isn’t enough to entice you to come, Gietschier announced that none other than Ben Jones — “Cooter” from Dukes of Hazzard — will be performing his one-man play, “Ol’ Diz,” about Cardinal pitcher Dizzy Dean. That in itself may be worth the price of admission.  … By the way, ongoing kudos to Joan Thomas and Barb Sheinbein for their efforts on the Ballpark Marker Committee, which has now garnered funding for two more markers … The chapter honored Sheinbein with its Meritorious Service award Saturday, well-deserved.

Former Cardinal player and current SWIC coach Fiala led off for the speakers, and, for a guy with all of five at-bats and one hit (which, as he reminded Ron Jacober, was one more hit than he had) in the majors, has some interesting career twists and trivia. He was the Cubs’ third-baseman in the Thomas Ian Nicholas vehicle “Rookie of the Year” (which also had Barry Bonds, Bobby Bonilla and Pedro Guerrero), and therefore has an IMDB page — how many ballplayers can claim that? Fiala, as trivia buffs — like SABRen Jim Rygelski — will note, was one of only three players (along with Joe Edelen and Doug Bair, the others in the trade) to play for both of the teams with the best overall records in 1981, neither of which went to the playoffs … The Cardinals drafted the future University of Illinois baseball coach one round before they drafted future University of Illinois basketball coach “Lonnie” Kruger. In that draft the Vianney grad was drafted ahead of future Hall of Famer Paul Molitor (by the Cardinals, of course) … Fiala joked that he indirectly helped the 1982 Cardinals win the championship by getting traded for Doug Bair, who had a 20.6 VORP for the 1982 team (3rd-best) … And speaking of contributing to Cardinal championships, Fiala coached current Cardinal Scott Spiezio at U of I. Fiala recalled encouraging Spiezio to practice multiple infield positions, “because you never know where you might end up playing someday.”

We’ll always remember Ron Jacober — appearance-wise, anyway — from his TV days doing sports for the news and weekend Cardinal games on KSDK back in the ’80s. While the man has aged, naturally, his never-aging voice sounds so similar that the contrast was stark (to us, anyway). Jacober is one of the few remaining old-school media people in town, having worked in the same market for 38 years, which Jacober himself noted is a real rarity. But having been around St. Louis sports, especially baseball (his favorite) for so long, he, like Jack Buck, has interwoven his own legacy among our local sports collective memory. After all, who else has first-hand experience of interviewing Harry Caray, shortly after the Cardinal broadcaster was fired, “not sober” at Busch’s Grove with a Schlitz in his hand that he refused to put down during the interview? Jacober told that story and several others, including precious anecdotes about Lou Brock, Bob Gibson and Cool Papa Bell. It was a treat to hear him relate the stories behind the stories, much as the late Bob Broeg used to do.

After Jacober spoke, Cardinal Assistant General Manager John Mozeliak took the floor. We have to confess being most interested in Mozeliak of all the engaging speakers, since his very job deals with so much of what we enjoy writing about on this blog and reading about. As Walt Jocketty’s right-hand man, Mozeliak is primarily in charge of player contracts. From that vantage point, he told the group about the near-miss that was Miguel Batista in much the same way a real-estate agent might speak of nearly buying a property for a client. Moments away from a three-year deal, Mozeliak was on the phone with Batista’s agent, who informed Mozeliak that “Meche is killin’ us.” … When we asked what metrics he likes, and which he doesn’t, Mozeliak wasn’t specific, though he puts some stock in “runs generated and runs prevented” but that stats are merely one component of his equation when projecting a player’s value over the next one to four years, the others being scouting reports and “an intangibles bucket,” which includes feedback from the coaching staff … Still talking to Weaver, or, more specifically, Weaver’s agent, who is apparently “driving that bus” … Thinks the posting process that resulted in the “insane” Dice-K contract for the Red Sox needs to be reviewed … We asked his opinion of the future of arbitration-year buyout contracts for Cardinal pitchers, which we wrote about last week, but Mozeliak thinks it’s too early to be concerned about Reyes and Wainwright, though he mentioned that Yadier Molina could pose an interesting case … His top-five pitchers in the game, off the top of his head? Carp, Santana (when healthy), Oswalt and, “for one game,” Roger Clemens … The younger version of Ben Stein also touched on how the team makes decisions on which player contracts to insure. The line of the day came when Mozeliak was asked just how much authority he had to make deals. He replied without missing a beat, “You don’t send a boy to war.” Well-played, John.

Chapter president Norm Richards introduced Hummel, the latest recipient of the Hall of Fame’s Spink Award honoring sportswriters, to a standing ovation. Hummel spoke of the gratitude he has had for the many people who have congratulated him on his impending induction. Hummel, who has graciously appeared on the Hot Stove speakers’ panel several times, again gave his preview of the upcoming season, along with his fearless predictions for division winners, sticking with tradition and picking the Yankees to win the AL pennant (other division winners: Cardinals, Dodgers, Braves, Tigers, Angels). He also revealed the identity of the main “anonymous source” for his stories in the ’80s, who may come as a surprise, given his nickname … When we asked Hummel what baseball event he wish he could’ve been around to cover, he simply said, “I would like to have talked with Babe Ruth.” Among his real-life greatest coverage moments, he fondly recalled the titillating 1986 NLCS between the Mets and Astros, and the 2003 ALCS, which he also got to cover … We were a bit disappointed in Hummel’s not-surprising answer to our question about whether the Hall of Fame voting should be opened up to other close followers of the game, such as online and television media; The Commish said he thought that “500 or so voters should be enough,” and that the writers were the ones who started it in the first place.

On behalf of the chapter, thanks to all of our speakers and guests who attended, our friends at Mike Shannon’s, and Norm Richards, Rick Salamon and the many other members who helped organize the event. It was another high point on the calendar. The next one, of course, is Spring Training.

Biography: Hub Kittle

Friday, November 3rd, 2006

As the weather turns colder and we warm ourselves with memories of how the Cardinals set the baseball world on fire with their October romp through the playoffs — led by a transformed pitching staff — we’ll ponder the not-so-subtle influence of coach Dave Duncan and the behind-the-scenes strategies and adjustments that helped win the Series. It’s worth looking back on the pitching coach from the previous World Champion Cardinals from 1982, Hub Kittle, whose biography was released yesterday by the SABR Bioproject. Here’s a sampling:

Whitey Herzog said of Hub: “Hub Kittle was way past 60, with a face as worn as an old Rawlings mitt by the time he came to the Cardinals as my pitching coach. He’d spent four decades hitting fungoes, steering buses, sleeping in back seats, telling stories of the old days, and sharing the secrets of making a hitter look foolish with a thousand beanpole kids you and I never heard of. Name the place, Hub had been there. God bless guys like him. They are the game.” Also: “I’d see him take an 18-year-old pitcher who couldn’t throw 83 miles an hour off to the side, and ten minutes later the guy’s out on a rubber humming it 88, 89. I can’t even tell you how he did it except to use those five magic words: ‘He was a baseball man.’”

The article will take you down memory lane with some good ’80s Cardinal anecdotes, plus some interesting background tales about Kittle’s earlier life. Good stuff. As for Duncan, we can hear Tony LaRussa, 20 years from now, lauding him in a similar way: “He was a baseball man.”

Schadenfreude at the media’s expense

Saturday, October 28th, 2006


Kudos to Karl Ravech!

NLCS Preview: Mets’ roster set, includes Floyd

Wednesday, October 11th, 2006

According to David Lennon at Newsday, the Mets’ roster has been set:

Player PO Player PO
Chad Bradford P Paul Lo Duca C
Pedro Feliciano P Ramon Castro C
Tom Glavine P Carlos Delgado IF
Aaron Heilman P Julio Franco IF
Roberto Hernandez P Anderson Hernandez IF
John Maine P Jose Reyes IF
Guillermo Mota P Jose Valentin IF
Darren Oliver P Chris Woodward IF/OF
Oliver Perez P David Wright IF
Steve Trachsel P Carlos Beltran OF
Billy Wagner P Endy Chavez OF
Cliff Floyd OF
Shawn Green OF
Michael Tucker OF

The big question is how healthy Floyd is. Was his roster spot wasted, or will he be the Kirk Gibson of this NLCS?

The only change from the Mets’ NLDS roster is the speedy defensive wiz Anderson Hernandez in place of young LOOGy Royce Ring.  Indeed, four southpaw relievers would’ve been overkill, especially with two starters being lefty and a Cardinal lineup that has only five possible lefthanded batters.

Syd Thrift, RIP

Tuesday, September 19th, 2006

Former general manager of the Pittsburgh Pirates Syd Thrift passed away, so we thought it right to honor him by lauding one of his accomplishments, especially since today is Talk Like a Pirate Day. Therefore, begging your pardon in advance, the remainder of our tribute will be translated into Pirate-speak (courtesy of this translator).

In addition ta havin’ one o’ the all-time best baseball names, Thrift be most well-known ta Carrdinal fans fer bein’ on the receivin’ end o’ one o’ the most lopsided trades in recent team history. On April 1, 1987, he traded perennial All-Starr catcher Tony Pena ta the Carrdinals, who sent former #1 draft picks Andy Van Slyke ‘n’ Mike Dunne along with Mike LaValliere ta Pittsburgh. In the short-term, it worked out well fer the Carrdinals, whom Pena helped lead ta the World Series in his first season with the club. But over the next few yearrs, the Carrdinals became a second-division team, ‘n’ Pena port departed jumped ship as a free agent after the 1989 season. We’ll always remember Pena fer his wild swings-and-misses that port rendered him twisted ‘n’ kneelin’ on the ground. ARG! Yet fer all o’ his mangy on-base ability ‘n’ proneness ta wild cuts at the dish, he struck out less often than McGee, Pendleton ‘n’ Coleman over the period while he was with the team.

Meanwhile, Van Slyke ‘n’ Lavalliere led the Pirates ta three straight division titles (1990-1992). Van Slyke, who earrned .91 MVP sharres as a Pirate, helped comprise the best outfield in the majors — along with Bobby Bonilla ‘n’ a prresumably prre-rroid Barrry Bonds — but the Carrdinals filled the void with subparr players like Tom Brunansky ‘n’ Milt Thompson. ARR! ARR! I’m two pirates! Perhaps the most prized parrt o’ the deal, Dunne burned out after a stellarr rookie campaign (we still remember his 1988 Topps carrd with the All-Star Rookie cup on it).

So, the final tally, in terms o’ Win Sharres?

As Cardinal WS Post-Cardinals WS
Pena 33 Van Slyke 171
LaValliere 87
Dunne 18
Total 276

A deficit fer the Carrdinals o’ 243 Win Shares. ARR!…I’m not attractive! ‘n’ o’ course a huge surplus fer the Bucs ‘n’ Thrift. It must’ve been one o’ his proudest accomplishments. Avast me hearty mateys!